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American Note Network-Russ Dalbey

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We have never done business with American Note Network a.k.a. Cash4cashflows, who run late night TV ads enticing people to become note brokers.

We are willing to publish your genuine success story with them, or your horror story as the case may be.

Here is an unsolicited email received October 30, 2006 from Nicolette in California, an American Note Network customer. She wrote these comments. We cannot of course verify their accuracy.

Hi-

I wanted to add my comments about America’s Note Network and share my experience with them.

What happened:

My husband was up late one night in July and he saw an infomercial for Winning in the Cash Flow Business. The advertisement was that for $39.95 you get the books for the system and if you aren't satisfied you can return them within 30 days. My husband, Joshua, called and they kept increasing the price of the items and throwing in new things like a website and 250 note leads. He ended up paying $395.00 for the books and a couple of DVDs.

When we received the items I tried to access the note leads and I was unable to, and the website required that we have a username and password that was note provided to us. Right after we received the system that they advertise that you can use and it’s all you need to start making note deals they started high pressure sales calls. We spoke with a number of different people who were working to get us signed up for a “special” program with one on one coaching, a website, 850 note leads, newsletters, and number of other things for $6000.00.

Josh and I discussed it at length for a few weeks and numerous times we were called and we put the person on speaker phone so we could both hear and speak them and ask questions. I had one woman call my cell phone and inform me that they had scholarship programs where they pay half the cost of the program but we would still have to pay $3000.00.

Eventually we started talking with just one person named Jeff Donaldson. He told us that if we were serious about this program he could get us in for $5000.00, and to use a method called other people’s money, which means we could use our credit cards to pay for the cost and if we didn’t have one credit card with that amount available on it we could use multiple cards. They just wanted us to make the minimum payment and that they couldn’t have anything less than a success story.

He told us that neither he nor Russ Dalbey wanted anyone to be in a situation where they were going to drown financially, and he guaranteed that if within 90 days we didn’t make the money back and close our first note deal to pay off our credit card we used for our initial investment that we would get a refund of the cost of the program.

Here are the events that transpired the day we requested our refund.

I called 1 (800) 213-3800 on September 27th, 2006 at 12:43 pm and spoke with a representative, explained that we no longer we interested in the service they were providing. The representative informed me that he was unable to process the request from me and he had to speak to Josh directly because he signed up for the program, even though it was ok for me to sign documents. I put Josh on the phone with him and he verified Josh’s information and then informed him that he would have a representative call him from a different department that handles refunds.

He did receive a phone call 20 minutes after our initial call but didn’t make it to the phone in time. Josh called the office back and was informed that it could be 24 to 48 hours before he got a call back. I was visibly upset about this especially since my call had been returned in a timely manner with no issues just 20 minutes prior to my second call.

I called back and informed them that it was unacceptable for it to take that amount of time especially since only 20 minutes earlier we were told we would receive a call right away. Some time later we received a phone call from a representative who informed us that he was unable to issue us a refund because we signed a document saying there was no refund.

However our dispute with them was over the guarantee that was made to us. When we signed up for their program we worked with a man named Jeff Donaldson. In our conversations with Jeff Donaldson he guaranteed us that within 90 days we would close our first note deal and make back the money we invested in their program our we were allowed to get our money back.

He said this because “neither Russ Dalbey, nor I want to be responsible for anyone drowning in debt because of this program.” When we informed the representative we were speaking to that Jeff Donaldson told us this he kept asking us “How could Jeff say that?” According to the representative we were speaking to about our refund, all phone calls are recorded, so I told him that he needs to go back into the recordings and he will hear for himself the guarantee that was made to us.

In addition to that, the representative informed us that signing the document in regards to the refund was not required in order for us to sign up for the program but this was not a piece of information that was given to us prior to us signing the document, otherwise we wouldn’t have signed it. I have filed complaints with the Denver BBB organization and the FTC.

We paid $5000.00 for the program aside from the $395.00 Josh paid just to receive the books. We used our Bank of America credit card to pay $3000.00 and our bank account to pay the other $2000.00. We are disputing the $3000.00 charge through Bank of America and still need to file a dispute with our bank. I put every effort into this program. I purchased a web domain through yahoo and paid for advertising out of our pocket.

The website that Russ Dalbey provides you with is a crackerjack website. Everyone gets the same one, you can customize it but the website addresses are all the same. The name of the program is called the Protégé program, and when we called to get our refund the guy we spoke to signed us up for Master Marketing. I even signed up to be an affiliate with winning in the cash flow business so that if other people sign up for their program and I can make some money from that. I am aware that this all sounds really jumbled, and it’s confusing in many ways, but there are so many times we had contact with these people it’s hard for even me to keep track of them all.

Consequence(s): So far the consequence has been that we lost the money we invested, a total of $5395.00 not including the cost of the yahoo domain and advertising. Now we are struggling to stay above water financially, and we aren't making any money from this system as was guaranteed to us.

I have contacted many consumer advocates and shared this information with them and am currently awaiting a response.  I have filed a complaint with both the BBB and the FTC.  Of course America’s Note Network did not respond to the complaint filed with the BBB.  I also have contacted an attorney about starting a class action lawsuit against this company due to the disturbing reality that there are THOUSAND of people who have lost MILLIONS of dollars trying to invest in their success and just ending up duped. 

Nicolette 

California

 

Written by Billy L, an American Note Network Customer. He wrote these comments. We cannot of course verify their accuracy.

I want to personally thank you for exposing me to the truth about this so called ANN. I purchased their so-called informative materials about four years ago and needless to say, I haven't made a penny from it. I found myself having to go out and find other reference materials because ANN wasn't providing accurate answers (at least not without a huge price).
 
Nevertheless, I found ANN to be of no help when it comes to me reaching my goals in the note business which led me to seek other avenues. I now find that I really didn't get anywhere by doing so but I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused. Also, I'm trashing this stupid cashflowmail email account as It gets nothing but SPAM!

Feel free to published my comments on your website. The more people that are aware of ANN's misleading information, the better. There is no reason why someone should have to pay for what they are led to believe is all the information they'll ever need to learn the note business then find out that they just scratched the surface and wind up having to pay more for information which your website provides free of charge (and much more informative anyway).
 
They're advertising should read; "How To Make Money From False Advertising" rather than "Winning In The Cash Flow Biz" because they make it a point to call and say "We have something that will help you get more note deals" but NOT once have they ever called and asked if you found any note deals or if there’s anyway more assistance they can provide. Simply put, it doesn't seem as though they care whether or not you're successful in this business as long as you continue to buy their so-called training supplies/services.

Written by Ben N., an American Note Network customer. He wrote the article below and is solely responsible for it's contents..

Working two jobs to pay my bills was tiring.  I could never get ahead.  Then one day I saw a commercial for ANN (America's Note Network) stating how one could make thousands of dollars in the private note business.  Ann stated there are three EASY steps: find them, list them, and make money.  It is that simple.  All you have to do is buy our course material, about one hundred dollars.  However, the information is overwhelming, of course there is an 800 number.  Wow, call the number and their sales team goes to work. 
 

I thought I was at a car dealership.  First, you need your own website fully loaded and informative.  People will see you are serious.  To really get the business off the ground, buy our newsletter program, it will literally make your phone ring off of the hook.  This only costs $1200 for one year. Then they ask you if you want mentoring or are interested in buying leads.  This is over $1200 more.  They also offer an affiliate website, another $400. 
 
Again, they stated you can make thousands.  In one year, I spent a decent amount of money on credit card.  I tried two mailings of postcards and have both websites and the newsletter program.  However, I only paid $600 because I complained  a whole lot. My affiliate site has about three thousand hits but NO sales.  I complained to ANN after I received only about 400 hits.  So they said they would send me 2500 targeted hit.  How do you not get one sale out of all this, ANN said they never encountered this before. 
 
After Two mailing with the newsletter program to target people that ANN said would work, NO CALLS, I said NO CALLS.  The only way they help you is by you giving them your $$$$ in turn, for better words, a template on how the note business works.  I have spent countless hours and money on this program. 
Yet, I have never done one deal.
 
ANN does not seem to care what you do unless it is YOU giving THEM your hard earned money.  Yes, Russ Dalbey makes thousands, but is it really from the note business.  I think it is from people like me.  It will run one close to THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for all the tools ANN says will help your business. 
What they say, in every category has been the opposite for ME.  I am an honest person and just expect others to be the same.  However, I think I was taken for a ride.  ANN seems to practice BAD BUSINESS.  If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.  My advice DO NOT DO IT.
Educate yourself by going to the library.  Do not be taken for a ride.  You will become more irritated as your bank account goes down.

Subsequent to publishing the above article we have received emails from Teresa McLain who works for American Note Networks asking us to add a "promo" for their company. We have refused. But we have contacted Mr. Ben N. asking him to please verify that the above article is factually correct. He has confirmed that is is. With his permission we are adding the following email from him to us. He has been offered a partial refund  from American Note Networks.

Hello Mr. Linton. 
AAN is giving me back approximately $390.00 for the affiliate site and letting me keep the site.  Also, I had spent $1200 on a coaching program in which I am receiving $600.00.  Even so these are not full refunds, it is better than nothing. 

It almost seems amazing what a company will ask to get bad comments taken off about there company.  I am sure many other people have posted notes such as mine.  I do not see a note here or there about ANN stressing a concern so many people must be complaining.  I do thank you as you have helped me by posting this letter I wrote and in return am receiving a moderate refund.  

The affiliate website is $400 but that is a one time fee.  Coaching program was $1200 and they promised I would have three deals by programs end, did not happen.  Personal website was $100.00.  Newsletters are $1200 but was given to me for $600.00 plus 500 leads to supposedly note holder. 

However, I have never had a reply so I do not know how good these lists are.  I was given 2000 hits to the affiliate website after much complaining but still never received any sales.  It almost seems like they have a software program that may ad hits. 

For all of my complaining I did receive a discount on the newsletter, hits to my affiliate, and leads to note holder.  I am on my third mailing of newsletters, and I finally received one reply besides the other person who asked me to take him off of my list.  I am still not impressed with the newsletter program and it has not made my phone ring off of the hook like they say will happen.  Granted, I do have one more mailing so things could change...

An unsolicited article from Willy O, an American Note Network Customer. He wrote and is solely responsible for its contents. We cannot of course verify their accuracy.

I purchased the Russ Dalby CashFlow system - American Note Network system earlier this year. I went into it with curiously and looking for something extra to offer my clients.

I've been in the real estate business for many years, but never got involved in transacting notes.

I bought the basic program and read through it all. Watched and listened to the CD's.

I know the program is pushed as a Get Rich Quick plan. But you have to be really naive to think that something like that is possible. Those advertised, "I made $53,000 in my first deal", are one in a million.

This note buying and selling takes work, research, and understanding.  My average deal makes me $1,200 to $2,000 if I broker a note off to someone else. Most of the time I just do it for myself to create a nice steady monthly income. I only do small deals that pay-off in 3 to 5 years. I have a set plan that I follow.

But, back to the Russ Dalbey. After I purchased his "Money Making System" I was called daily sometimes three times a day by some sales person trying to get me to buy other things. After they tried many times and a hundred phone calls they gave up figuring I was not going to get suckered in.

Learning from the initial information I purchased I have put together several Seller Financed deals, bought a few notes, and brokered off a couple. By no way is it a get rich path, but you can make a decent living off of it. The return on your investment is higher than if you put your money in a savings account, mutual fund, or CD.

 My problem with the ANN is that they claim you can go onto their web site and get listings of people who have notes and can contact them to see if they will sell their note. Well, the CD and web site will take you to any County public information search database, but you do not get addresses to send letters to the note holders.

That is a big block wall for me and a majority of people looking to try to contact note holders. I don't want to pay some database search company $25 for every name and hope those note holders will sell. For web sites, there are a few free web site places where you can build a very nice site. I have three of them.

Spend two hours a month and you can list your free web site on the various search engines for free. It can be done, but don't expect to make a million dollars at the end of the month. I feel bad for those who have lost money, but buying and selling notes is a doable thing.

I have taught two other persons in my office on how to do notes and also some of my clients who now buy through me and trust me enough to manage those investments. Right now at this writing the real estate market is slow, but it is nice to know that I have just over $5,000 coming in every month from owning notes.

I don't want to say I promote Russ Dalby's CashFlow System. But if you buy it or any other Late Night Get Rich Quick ad, buy it for the information and take what you can learn from it and see how can you make it work for you to make money.

Another thing, don't be foolish and spend a bunch of money on those advertised schemes. Don't spend more than $50 for information. There is so much information about every subject for free on the internet nowadays. Even chat rooms and work groups.
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Willy O, Pres. & CEO Tr----- Real Estate Group, Inc.
 

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If you have had any experience with American Note Networks / Cash4cashflows,  please email us and let us know. We will publish your story here, both positive and negative.

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